Posted January 02, 2013

Bucks’ Ellis says he’s in ‘same category’ with Heat’s Wade

Ben Golliver, Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat, Milwaukee Bucks, Monta Ellis

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By Ben Golliver

It’s impossible to launch 22 shots per game for an entire season, as Monta Ellis did in 2009-10, without possessing an out-of-this-world level of self-confidence.

So while we collectively chuckle at the video above, in which the Bucks guard compares himself favorably to Heat guard Dwyane Wade, we’re shaking our head out of amusement and not shock.

“To be honest, I would put myself in the same category as D-Wade,” Ellis said. “At the end of the day, the only thing he has is more wins and two championships. That’s it. As far as playing on the same level, competing every night, both ends, shoot inside and outside, fast break, transition, Monta Ellis has it all.”

It’s a knee-slappingly laughable comparison, but let’s run down the tale of the tape for fun.

Wade has two championship rings; Ellis has none. Wade has a gold medal; Ellis has none. Wade has eight All-Star appearances; Ellis has none. Wade has seven All-NBA selections; Ellis has none. Wade has three All-Defensive selections; Ellis has none. Wade has eight playoff appearances; Ellis has one. Wade has appeared in exactly 10 times more playoff games than Ellis (110 to 11). Wade has averaged more points, rebounds, assists, blocks and has a better better career field goal percentage than Ellis. Wade’s career PER is an excellent 25.6; Ellis’s is a pedestrian 16.9. During their respective careers, Wade has accumulated nearly four times more offensive win shares than Ellis and more than triple his defensive win shares. Wade’s individual offensive and defensive ratings are both significantly better.

This could go on and on. Take a look for yourself: Basketball-Reference.com’s tale of the tape just isn’t close. Most tellingly, according to the site, Wade has a 99.6 percent probability of being elected to the Hall of Fame (which seems low); Ellis has a 2.8 percent chance (which seems generous). That about sums it up. Wade is an all-timer; Ellis is, if you want to get charitable, a poor man’s version.

In Ellis’s defense, he did beat out Wade and every single other player in the Eastern Conference to take home Player of the Week honors on Monday, averaging 21.3 points, 8.3 assists and 4.0 steals and leading the Bucks to a 2-1 mark for the week, including a win over the Heat. So he’s got that going for himself, which is nice.

Video via YouTuber user HoopDiary | Hat tip: Ball Don’t Lie

16 comments
ll0yd_d0bler
ll0yd_d0bler

this love for ellis is laughable.  anyone can do stats.  look at starbury as a great example.  undersized, could score at will.  want a sign of how useless ellis is?  look at how good golden state had been at home or on the road with ellis (any season).  and look at how good they are now without ellis - and without bogut.  that trade was the best thing that happened to golden state in decades.  david lee is playing lights out because the black hole that is ellis is now living in milwaukee. 

NeNe
NeNe

THE MEDIA IS IN CONTROL

I totally agree with Ellis; Ellis is an unbelievable basketball player and the media has not acknowledged his talent as one of the top guards in the NBA. I think if the media gets behind Ellis like they did when J- Lin had several good games with NY people would appreciate Ellis work as an All Star Player; but like everything in life we have certain type of people we will make better; we make them better because we speak positive words before and after their names. We know that’s something the media has not done much for Ellis; but Ellis continues to play with efficiency….just pull the stats.  We all know that Ellis is a true scorer; that’s the top reason he is in the NBA…we want him to shoot the ball; but look at his assists and rebounds this guy is a leader in these categories. Oh yes, we hear this all the time “he does not play defense” but I say to you check the stats, when it comes to his position as a guard this guy is a leader in blocks and steals; So yes he can be compared to D-Wade. Ellis goes to work every night like D-Wade and he delivers quality and effective work on the basketball court. Like any player having the correct pieces to the puzzle will create a sense of completion to the project. I think the questions are, is Monta Ellis as popular than D-Wade?  The answer is No; is Ellis a true baller on the court and can he be compared to D-Wade?  The answer is Hell Yea….just pull the stats; he is compared to him and Ellis is leading in several effective categories. I love D-Wade too; but I cannot take anything from Monta Ellis. Man, this young man is definitely an All Star Player who has never made the All Star Team. I think popularity plays a big part because Ellis has the numbers. So to the writer show some respect

IanM.Servicee
IanM.Servicee

Ellis is just a 20 pt scorer on the floor.  There are plenty of 20 point scorers in the league.  What seperates players like him from players like Wade, iarethe intagibles, the iq, etc.  Teams game plan to stop players like Wade, an elite player,. Teams let players like Ellis get their 20-30 points a game.  Put Ellis with an elite big man and the game planning philosphy would not change.  He's a high volume shooter, really doesnt know how to pick and choose his spots.  For the most part, his game play doesnt alter a games outcome. He's a good player, but he isnt elite.

marsof
marsof

am i being punk'd?!? omg, ashton ashton you totally got me!

Glenn10
Glenn10

He is not comparing himself to Wade in terms of Championship, Gold Medal or Play off games played. I guess he was referring on a basketball skill set and he is right, he can be on the same level as Wade. The only reason why Wade has more all star appearances or more individual awards is , he is on a Team that wins. If Ellis is the one on his place, then it might be the other way around. By the way, I am not an Ellis fan.

Retrobam
Retrobam

Give Ellis a Shaq and Lebron caliber player and I guarantee that he can put up the same numbers. People look at accolades and stats, Ellis was playing with D-league players for a whole year. Low FG%, for awhile he it look like he was force to play 1 vs 5 until Curry arrived (glass ankles came with him). No defense, Bucks own the lowest Shooting guard % this year (very surprising). I believe having Veterans early in your career helps most of superstar league and Ellis didn't have luxury of having not only veterans at Golden State (except WE BELIEVE crew), but also NBA caliber teammates. They are both explosive shooting guards, Wade is just bigger and stronger and Ellis is a slightly superior shooter. Better stats doesn't prove nothing honestly because KG put better stats that Timmy Duncan, but Duncan has 3 rings and is highly regarded as the greatest power forward of all time. But achievements is something your not able to compare players either, you might be in the right situation. KG did not have teammates like Manu and TP until he came to Boston. Ellis didn't have a solid Lamar Odom, Shaquille O'neal, Gary Payton, Antwoine Walker, ZO, Jason Williams, Lebron James, or Chris Bosh to help him on the learn about the NBA. But think about it, Ellis is not a scrub in the league, top 5 SG in the league (Some argue top 3), imagined if he at least one of the Hall of Famers (I'm not saying all are HOF) on his team to help him developed...  

NeNe
NeNe

I agree a player must be able to make a connection with the team to see his full talent on the court that will help demonstrate team wins. I am sure a new coach with different objectives for the team made a different with Golden State and having a healthy point guard also made a different when it comes to having a conductor on the floor. I know Ellis is a controversial player most people think he is a point guard because of his size. I know he does not look like the average shooting guard, but he defines the position with force and creativity. Ellis is a high volume scorer and he is as quick as anyone in the league. When it comes to an effective shooting guard Monta Ellis name is in the top 5. So don’t ride it out with the media look at Ellis game and give it up to him, you still can laugh; but facts say Ellis is a PURE BALLER

Retrobam
Retrobam

 @IanM.Servicee  The only issue I have with this theory is he leading all shooting guards in assist. He accomplished that feat last year also. Team do game plan for him because you hear coaches talk about containing or slowing Ellis down. I completely agree with the IQ part, but he is getting better. He post up more (and stats show he is effective in this area), his pick roll pass are above average and Larry Sanders is having a good year with some respect to that. He even defers to Jennings when he's hot and plays point guard to give Jennings and Dunleavy open shots. Ellis is shooting a low FG% right now, but he is improving as the season continues and getting to the normal levels now. 

Retrobam
Retrobam

 @Glenn10 You know basektball. Thank you! I'm tired how ppl are overreacting to his comment. But I am a Ellis fan, so I'm kinda bias. But if you watch there is a lot similarity in their games.

silemone
silemone

 @Retrobam Ellis being a better shooter?!?!  For DWade's first 5-6 years, he had a better shooting percentage than both Kobe and Lebron.  He was in the top 5 shooting 50% or better during those years.  Kobe would be at 44% and Lebron at 48%.  No other guard was there.  Look up your stats.  

silemone
silemone

DWade numbers dropped when Lebron came.  With Shaq, he quietly became the star player even with the most dominating player in NBA history.  Ellis has been on many talented and offensive minded teams.  Meanwhile DWade still thrived on a defensive minded/offensive neglected teams, still became a star among stars and made the Heat his team, still willed the Heat into the playoffs when Riley sat on money so he could later sign Lebron and Bosh.  Ellis never took his teams and made them his own and  willed his teams to the playoffs.  He's good, but he's no DWade.

silemone
silemone

 @Retrobam  @Glenn10 

Are you both kidding me?!?  The Heat won because of Wade.  The Heat traded Odom, Butler, and Grant for an aging Shaq and then got rid of Eddie Jones and signed Antoine Walker.  Wade was already coming on the years before when he single handedly took over games to the point where SVG said he shouldn't have taken DWade out though he was only a second year player. That was a series against Detroit.  Cleveland with Lebron had much more talent and so did many other teams as RIley was cheap during those years and Wade was a one man team.  Honestly, Ellis has had more talent around him and better coaching.  Wade is held back by defensive minded coaches who lack offensive creativity.  Ellis has been on offense first teams.  Ellis is good, but come on.  There are few players who has DWade's quiet determination to will out wins.  

Retrobam
Retrobam

 @silemone  @Retrobam look at 3FG%. Wade was doing mostly lay-ups and dunks at first due to a lack of consistent jumper. Same goes for LeBron. There FG% is high because the low number of threes they take and high number of lay-ups they take. Ellis shoots more threes and hits more (which should happen). Ellis also played years with D-league players like Reggie Williams, Anthony Tolliver, Cj Watson, Chris Hunter, and Anthony Morrow, no comparison to a Shaq, Lamar Odom, or even a Antione Walker caliber player. Games were made easier for Wade with his supporting cast. Wade always had a solid supporting cast. Beasley was better than most the players Ellis has played with after the WE BELIEVE crew left and that's saying a lot. Ellis really had nothing when Baron, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington left until the the point Curry (injuries plagued him) and Lee (look at Curry).  

Retrobam
Retrobam

 @dinohealth  @silemone  @Retrobam  @Glenn10 48 against the Thunder last year, 46 against the Rockets for the season opener. Most 40 points games in a season 2 years ago. Monta Ellis top 5 shooting guard in the league 

dinohealth
dinohealth

@silemone @Retrobam @Glenn10 Have you ever seen Ellis take over games? A sight to behold!