Posted October 31, 2013

Jeremy Lin’s move to the Rockets’ bench makes all kinds of basketball sense

Houston Rockets, Jeremy Lin, Patrick Beverley, Rob Mahoney
Jeremy Lin will move to the Rockets' bench in favor of Patrick Beverley. (Bill Baptist/NBAE via Getty Images)

Jeremy Lin will move to the Rockets’ bench in favor of Patrick Beverley. (Bill Baptist/NBAE via Getty Images)

Rockets coach Kevin McHale is set to make a simple basketball decision — the choice to start one deserving player over another — that will undoubtedly reverberate across the NBA world. Such is Jeremy Lin’s hold; no event in his basketball career can be read as simple, not after the theatrics of Linsanity or the dramatic turn of his first year as a starter in Houston. Every development must be painted as either a great obstacle or an even greater redemption, if only because Lin’s career is seemingly inextricable from his narrative.

But I’d wager that Lin’s story could not be further from McHale’s mind as he decided which point guard provides the best fit for his starting lineup. Note the past tense, as according to Rockets forward Chandler Parsons by way of Jonathan Feigen of the Houston Chronicle, that determination has already been made:

After coach Kevin McHale said he wouldn’t reveal his starting lineup until 5:45 p.m. Wednesday, Chandler Parsons let the cat out of the bag at Tuesday’s practice.

“Did he not tell you guys who is starting? I don’t know why it is a big surprise. It is the same as how preseason ended,” Parsons said.

If that’s the case, the Rockets’ opening-night starting five against Charlotte will be Omer Asik, Dwight Howard, Chandler Parsons, James Harden and Pat Beverley.

This, more than anything, is a matter of fit. Beverley is the right player for this role, for reasons that have nothing to do with whether he’s generally a better player than Lin. The starting five is a lineup like any other — one that requires a balance of skills and space in order to be effective. Given that McHale opted to include both Howard and Asik in that mix, Beverley — a more accurate three-point shooter than Lin — is the more fitting complement. Houston will need all three of its perimeter players to pull at defenses in order to clear space for Howard and Asik to both contribute consistently on offense, and Lin simply doesn’t pose the kind of shooting threat that would keep defenders honest. That’s an issue that can be overcome in spots, but it makes little sense for the Rockets to begin games at a spacing disadvantage merely for the sake of Lin’s name and reputation.

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Beyond that, it makes all the sense in the world to pair Beverley with Harden in the backcourt. Beverley can lock in defensively in a way that Harden hasn’t expressed much interest in doing. Harden saved his energy while on defense last season, to put it kindly, but Beverley lives to bump and dog ball handlers no matter their distance from the hoop. He’s a first-line obstruction on a team that doesn’t have any other high-level perimeter defenders, which is important in making Houston’s starting lineup as sound defensively as possible and in more quickly establishing functional defensive chemistry.

If Houston is to contend for anything of import this season, the primaries involved need to have faith in their rotations and execute them. The perimeter players need to trust that the big men will be in position to cover for penetration, while the bigs need to be able to trust their perimeter counterparts to keep their marks in front of them. Lin, for all of his best efforts, struggles in that regard. He has quick hands but lacks the lateral mobility that makes Beverley such an irritant. As a result of his slow feet, Lin surrenders blow-bys that make things more difficult for his teammates — a gap in coverage that shouldn’t be discounted for a team looking to set an early defensive standard. The Rockets will have a prime opportunity in their opener against the Bobcats, followed by early tests against the potent offenses of the Clippers and Mavericks. It’s a long season, but the requisite chemistry has to start somewhere.

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Lost in all of this, too, is that the move could well benefit Lin. He and Beverley will still share minutes at the point while also logging minutes together, leaving Lin plenty of playing time and debunking the claims of demotion. Lin, for his part, seems to grasp this. From Jenny Dial Creech of the Houston Chronicle:

“Obviously, I would love to start,” Lin said. “I think every player would love to start but I think given our current situation, being able to being an offensive spark off the bench, being able to be a primary ball handler in that second group are big things too. Coach and I and Pat have all talked. At the end of the day, we are all trying to do what’s right for the team. Egos aside, we are just trying to go out there and play. Who starts isn’t important.”

All that changes is who Lin plays with and against — two factors that could work very much to his advantage. Shifting to match up against reserves should help mitigate some of what Lin does poorly on both ends of the court. His margin for error will be widened against less intimidating defenders and less explosive scorers.

He’s also right to note that the move brings him a freedom that he wouldn’t have otherwise. As a starter, Lin is a lesser Harden — a ball handler who can create off the dribble, albeit to less efficient ends than his superstar teammate. He’d also be deferring to the post-up creation of Howard, who will undoubtedly assume a healthy share of touches and shots within Houston’s offense. The ball would largely be out of Lin’s hands, and the dynamic out of his favor. Lin’s primary value lies in his ability to generate offense, and unlike Harden, he doesn’t have the off-ball skills — the spot-up shooting and cutting, namely — to make the most of a starting spot.

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It’s for that very reason that the Rockets experimented with toggling Lin and Harden as solo creators last season, each given room to operate without the other on the floor. When granted that independence, Lin shot a much better percentage from the field (48.1 compared to 43.3 with Harden on the floor), got to the free-throw line more often (5.3 attempts per 36 minutes, up from 3.5), racked up more assists (8.8 per 36 as opposed to 6.4) and scored more overall (18.4 points per 36 compared to just 14.3). Houston’s point differential was slightly better with Lin on his own rather than in tandem with Harden, which speaks to a redundancy in their games that could make this arrangement mutually beneficial.

Both will still play together plenty, and Houston will be fine for those stretches. Lin will play consistently with Howard, too, and they’ll likely thrive as a pick-and-roll pairing. This change is just too sensible to be declined for the way it maximizes the Rockets’ resources, no matter the hysteria that tends to spiral around Lin. This move will not bring about the world’s end. Lin is not being targeted or punished. This is merely a coach making a basketball decision based on basketball logic, and the correct one at that.

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65 comments
Jay_615
Jay_615

Imagine if we had a Asian quarter back. All the attention would go to that team all the Asian world wide would go there. We support our kind while Amercians don't. everytime yall team lose yall bandwagon the next team. which is sad Yall don't even know half of the team name and when they go to the championship that will be they're next team. Like half of the world is now a Miami heat fan. 

well I'm sticking with Houston rockets and the New york knick cause they're not racist. 

Jay_615
Jay_615

Okay Im Asian and if I was Jlin I wouldn't care about the starting lin up as long and I'm getting paid to play 30 or less minute a game. I think Coach mchale wants lin to finish off in the 2nd half if the team is getting be let lin rest and let him go off. Lin is a better player then pat. But lin doesn't want fame any more.

Plus the media is a racist. If I was playing i wouldn't care I'm still making money and howard isn't even scoring big, Let Lin be on the bench and when the team are down by soo many point Let lin come in a win for them. who cares about starting lin up. Howard is not even score many point then trying to see what he is made of. If hes doing bad they will cut him. last season lin was a starter let howard try to do the same..

I wouldn't turn down money just because I'm not a starter who care about fame jeez people leave lin alone


JohnWinn
JohnWinn

@TimothySpencer

You are absolutely right about this, even with last night game vs Jazz, Lin had a great game sparks a come back in the 3rd quarter, and got sub'd out. And was not put back into latter part of the 4th where he went on and took the lead against the Jazz with his 3pts. with best +21 (+/-) of the team and still get 36 min, and third string Brooks -8 (+/-) worst of team, 2pts, 0assit 2tos, and still in the game for 20min. ( 

Brooks got torched by Lucas III) and still playing. 
If Jlin get that stat, he'll get yelled at or even be benched the next game.  Say it as people like, but Mchale got something against Jlin ( a nerdy kid that too nice and not tough enough to compete NBA on his mind?) As for defense, Lin shut down, Tinsley to 0pts, 4 pts to lucas III, and dallas game Caderone Who? 0pts. 
So enough about defense scapegoat. As for spacing the court with 3points, well...now you have the best 2 big man rebounder in the game, 3 points shooting stat and 2nd chance put back is a toss up. Wake up Mchale, 3 points is shooting by a .041% margin between Bev over Lin becoming less of a fraction.  Still in is going to be benched. Even if Lin shooting .400 3pts, which he's doing now and Bev at .333 he's going to argue the Lin is not fitting well with Hardin and doesn't meshed well.  
All in all is not what Lin does, he can be spectacular and play out of this world like Linsanity and people still undermined him. He  knew this, by saying " I'll be professional and just play the game " he can play great, but if he were to have a miss step, they will go around and say " I told you so" It's a bully mentality to the underdog.  Just like Rudy, Doug Flutie, Buster Douglas that Ko'd Tyson. 
Seem Mchale and Morey are not in the same page, Morey brought in 2nd put back king and keep a rebouder in 2big men and defense present to solve the defensive woes, and brought in and keep spacer 3pts, of Casspi and Garcia, the 2 keys that would put Championship ring, but would rather favor Lin.  But with all this he's still benched. This time around will be winning but not a big margin or not meshing well with Hardin will be the fate of Jlin for starting or bench.

coachdad
coachdad

Beverly was injured and is out for 10 days or so, so Lin will start tonight against the Mavs. The Rockets are deep this year, so watch out! Howard was just added in the off-season, and this team is already starting to gel. Expect to see some long winning streaks.

kj4027
kj4027

blah blah blah, Jeremy still played 31 minutes and scored 16 points in his first game "off the bench". Beverly played 10 minutes and scored 5 points. Jeremy is always going to have "haters".

SeaWest4700
SeaWest4700

Having Lin come off the bench with the 2nd unit makes all kinds of sense, correct. However, you are discounting Lin's off season practice and you (nor i, nor any LOF of LOH commenters) have NO IDEA if his spot up shooting will be better this year. So far, Lin is showing considerable improvement. Additionally, EVERYONE tends to over value or over rate Beverly's D. Yes, he can play great D and yes, he is basically a better defender than is Lin, but Beverly often gets into foul trouble and whoops! there goes his D. You are also discounting Jeremy's court smarts on Defense. He tends to disrupt offensive flow by anticipation of offensive plans. I don't know and haven't seen if Beverly can do the same while still maintaining his aggressiveness. Also, with a big guy in the lane, the difference between B and L's defensive skills and deficiencies narrow. Lin has quicker hands and better anticipation; this can put him out of position as he is not as quick laterally as is B but he is quicker this year. Lin's miscues can be papered over by the big guy in the paint. Beverly will still likely match up better against quicker aggressive guards whereas Jeremy will do better with the bigger ones. At crunch time, the one playing will depend on what is more needed ... defense or offense and against whom. Beverly, with more minutes this year, might now be around for the 4th due to foul trouble, fatigue, or injury given the added wear and tear. I'm no so much defending Lin as I am analytical here, I just happen to be a bit more familiar with Lin's game and am now blinded by either over fandom or Lin hating with judgements that may be out of date but seem carved in stone. I still agree that Lin, off the bench, might be better overall ... even if he turns out to be a lights out 3 point shooter. B cannot generate the offense and offensive flow that can Lin. Lin has also demonstrated an ability to make those around him better -- marginal to good enough.

ksfhg
ksfhg

The Rockets decision to bench Jeremy Lin was decided even before the preseason began, because Kevin McHale wouldn't even let Lin practice with the starters, so that he couldn't gel with the starters, particularly with Dwight Howard (to prevent PnR with him or good pass to him as much as possible - McHale want that for Harden). It's possible that because Lin will be traded (they've tried since July 1st, which was late; also Lin's perceived value went down) they didn't want him gelling with the starters.

In 2012-2013 preseason and into early regular season (October and November 2012), when coach Kevin McHale knew that Jeremy Lin's knee wasn't fully rehabbed yet and he kept openly implying that Jeremy Lin was FAR WORSE than the 2 backups (traded Douglas and waived Livingston), McHale had played Lin for the first 10 straight minutes (and a lot of minutes overall), which was DETRIMENTAL to Lin's knee and slowed the healing process, causing his knee to stay swollen for quite a while. However, as Lin's knee steadily GOT BETTER, McHale increasingly played Lin slightly less; and when Lin played well once his knee got FULLY HEALED, McHale frequently YANKED him out when he got hot (after letting him play for the first 7 minutes) or after one mistake (treating like a scrub), and BENCHED him for the ENTIRE 4th QUARTER for no good reason.

ksfhg
ksfhg

The Houston Rockets organization have treated Jeremy Lin with an enormous amount of contempt and unfairness the entire 2012-2013 season. Daryl Morey has lied a lot in the past, beyond the typical GM strategies in the NBA (example: even a day before trading 4 players, he flat out circulated to the press that the players are staying). Head coach Kevin McHale has violated NBA rules while he was the GM in Minnesota. Assistant coach Kelvin Sampson has violated NCAA rules. Patrick Beverley got kicked out of college for cheating, and now he's kicking the Rockets' opponents, whether it's sticking his leg under Jeremy Lin from behind (during the open team practice) or other teams' players. It all points to characters who don't want to play fair.

It's UNETHICAL that the Rockets organization felt they couldn't accomplish their agenda (engineering on-court play calls by having Harden play as both the PG and the SG at the same time with a total lack of defense to save his energy for nothing but offense, in order to make him the All-Star *right off the bat* upon being a starter for them and recruiting a superstars to join him) without totally marginalizing, disrespecting and berating Jeremy Lin the entire last season. Morey and McHale have acted as the defacto leaders of the Lin ANTI-Hype Club, sprouting so many additional Lin-Haters in America. And because they have simultaneously masterminded the Harden Over-Hype, they have caused so many Lin-Haters in Houston in particular, taking cue after the Rockets' "basketball minds".

Coach Kevin McHale has LIED about alternating Lin and Beverley for preseason games, which meant that Lin should have started the last game (against Memphis). However, the Rockets' coaches and management were AFRAID of letting the media and public see Lin succeed AS a STARTER. Why? Because the "decision" was made WAY BEFORE the preseason.

Lalala123
Lalala123

I am really disappointed that they played Lin as a bench player...I might just not care about the Rockets this season and hope Lin gets treated to a better team, where he would be treated and played at the value he deserves!

harrycrab2012
harrycrab2012

All your non believer not sure if JLIn has almighty on his side, every time his chips are down, his stakes are double. Here tonight if not for his efforts and bench, the match could have gone to one of the weakest teams in the league. Not against Bev but his aggression will not last him a whole 82 games. Also bear in mind, when H and CP were hurt, whom took the team to wins last year. Mc Fail, start believing that is someone mightier than you whom will thwart your plans to downgrade Lin. He s the ultimate underdog we are rooting for,



chekovlee1
chekovlee1

don't worry no matter how well lin plays mcfail won't start him over bev.  no matter how poor bev looks out there mcfail won't start lin.  Mcfail doesn't want to be exposed as a poor coach. which he is by the way.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

lol bev traveled just bring the ball up court sad, wait he did it twice.. lol

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

bev was burned by walker, what happened to the def of bev. why did walker get shut down by lin. hmmm maybe cause lin is a better player. mcfail went back to lin-how sad.....what what

kenc29
kenc29

McHale showed he preferred Beverley long ago. Anyone who didn't know that, wasn't paying attention last year.

mikel roy
mikel roy

rockets will win a championship.. 2013...????  are you sure..?? Go. SPURS Go..!!!!

plansmaker2
plansmaker2

You get better by playing more floor time not less. Starting lineup gets to play 30 minutes, Off the bench plays 20 plus a night...If you do the math...

Patrick Beverley is the winner and Jeremy Lin is the big loser again, in this latest Lin saga. However, this may not all be bad for Lin. If he plays well as six man, he will increase his trade/ market value next year. 

My guess, is Lin will be out of Houston after this season with a new team. Who can use his brand of basketball.

simonf06
simonf06

First, rockets r not going to win the champ this season. Second, it is going to lose a lot of money the way they treat Lin. People here like profit, it is not no one cares about a billion Chinese people, they give up their principles for the Chinese mkt. will rockets be different from any other business which sale to china?

simonf06
simonf06

Although it makes certain sense to sate Bev, the way Lin is treated showed that being humble such as an Asian guy is appreciated but not respected by guys like Mcfail.

RicoHeat
RicoHeat

Beverley played well during the playoffs and also played hard during the preseason.. He earned it so who cares about the billion Chinese who love Lin.. Im sure Coach will give him enough opportunities to earn minutes and stay in the game if he plays well.. Its not about who starts.. Its about who finishes.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

Another lame season for the rockets. The issue is not the player its the coaching staff not able to teach or use the player's skills to the teams advantage.  Watch what happens when bev can't keep up with the rest of the nba.  Than what!!!! they won't go back to lin cause that would make the coach look dum.  They will come up with some other lame reason.  But watch they will have issues with the better teams this year.  You can change the look of a dummy but its still the same dummy.

TimothySpencer
TimothySpencer

@coachdad - I have said before and will repeat again.  The reason Patrick Beverly started and gets half the minutes of the game, while Jeremy is only going to play 27 minutes a night, isn't because Patrick Beverly is really "good".   It's because the NBA doesn't want an Asian basketball star.  Kevin McHale last year played the backup PG for as many minutes before he was traded.......then Patrick Beverly, a Euro-league player, who is an NBA SCRUB, barely a D-Leaguer, suddenly gets the SAME minutes as the previous Rockets backup PG.


Now, is this because Beverly is "good", NO!!!!  It's because Lin is being undermined.  


I will make a bet now that you won't suddenly see Jeremy Lin get 38 minutes a game as a starter, but rather you will STILL see Jeremy Lin get 27-32 minutes and Brooks, THE 3RD STRING is going to be given 22-25 minutes tonight.  Anyone want a bet that Lin continues to be undermined and have his minutes remain below what a proven star should get?

TimothySpencer
TimothySpencer

@kj4027 Lin played 28 minutes and likely will get no more than 32 mins tonight as McHale will play Brooks enough to eat into Lin's minutes, but like McHale has done with the last 2 backups the Rockets have had.  McHale is NEVER going to let Jeremy Lin play the same minutes as Harden or Chandler (40 minutes).   I guarantee you that won't happen, even though Lin SHOULD be playing those kinds of minutes and being one of the "marquee's" on the team.

benkimhine
benkimhine

@ksfhg wow, interesting observation. i don't know if it was contrived or coincidence though. if it was contrived, then kevin's a dill rod. i have a hard time with this conspiracy though. why would someone go to such lengths to keep someone down? is kevin trying show that he was right the first time around in cutting lin? possible. no coach wants to look like they cannot evaluate talent, but having so much pride as to try and prove you were right is a human failure. if kevin has this much pride, ultimately he should not coach because it shows that you are more into showing you are right rather showing that you are willing to give personal concessions to to win (at all costs).

BishopNYK
BishopNYK

@harrycrab2012 I tell you this so you don't get your hopes up, JLin will not be 6th man of the year and he will not average the stats that he got tonight, this was at home against the Bobcats. But he will be a huge asset to the Rockets and their 4th or 5th best player who will come in off the bench and keep the offense flowing for the 2nd rotation and probably give them 10-15 PPG so that's what the team needs but at the end of the day, he is no more than a GOOD role player

BishopNYK
BishopNYK

@chekovlee1 That makes no sense,. Lin is the perfect role player for them, he should come off the bench, it's better for the team. You're just biased, it's blatantly obvious

jack99
jack99

@chekovlee1 Wait. Is that why he got benched after 10 minutes? Buddy and I tonight were wondering "Where's Pat?"

docdlh726
docdlh726

@plansmaker2 If you do well with fewer minutes, you gain confidence. Playing off the bench in HS and College, means that you are just giving the first team a rest. In the pros, the bench is often the difference between winning and losing. The roles are far more important (6th and 7th) than elsewhere. Manu is playing the 6, and his play nearly turned around last year's championship outcome.

M20
M20

@plansmaker2 Wrong. Lin will play some minutes at the 2 and end up playing about the same number of minutes as he did last year. Seriously, are you not familiar with the fact that many NBA lineups feature a bench player who plays more minutes than one of the starters?

BishopNYK
BishopNYK

@simonf06 you are seriously a joke. A racially biased lintarde who only cares about watching Lin and can careless about if the Rockets win or lose. Lin is NOT their main priority, if he doesnt like he, he can leave. 

benkimhine
benkimhine

@RicoHeat people seem to forget lin was injured in the playoffs. am i wrong? bev did not pay lights out in the playoffs. he played good. simple as that. i don't know that playing a couple good games against the same team merits a starting spot the following. with that said, lin may fit better as a sixth man on this team.

M20
M20

@chekovlee1 As a big Lin fan, I beg of other Lin fans to stop spouting this kind of nonsense. Please free yourself of your blind devotion for just a minute and realize that this is a good thing for Lin. This is not a statement that Beverly is a better player than Lin; it's not a demotion. It's merely a recognition of the skills, roles, and fit of Lin, Beverly, and their teammates. Lin will probably get just as many minutes as he did as a starter, and his numbers will probably improve. Lin and Beverly will play together some while Harden rests, and then Beverly will be feeding Lin as Lin plays the Harden role. See how this works? Lin benefits. The Rockets benefit. Instead of blindly defending him, we all get to root for our boy as people begin to realize that he is indeed a pretty good basketball player. McHale is not the enemy. He wants to get the most out of Lin and he wants to get the most out of the Rockets. We're all on the same side here. Please be as smart about this as Lin is, because y'all are making it embarrassing to identify as a Lin fan.

plansmaker
plansmaker

@TimothySpencer @coachdad 

I totally agree, Lin has been treated horribly by McHale. Lin said coach McHale has lost faith in me...

As starting PG, Lin & Rockets has won all 3 games. Last game with Utah Jazz, Lin provided sparks for his team to overtake Jazz in second half. Lin score 20pts, Harden 23pts & Parsons had 24pts. Howard 15pts.

docdlh726
docdlh726

@TimothySpencer @coachdad Fewer minutes, though, does lend to better longevity. It is a long season and a lot of minutes will take their toll. I don't think racism is rampant though some might be in play. The NBA would LOVE an Asian superstar .. it plays well to a much larger population of untapped money than the usual white or black superstar. Beverly does fit a little better if you look at winning the game overall. Jeremy can be Jeremy more when he is out thier without Harden and he can better showcase his skills AND help the team AND be a more visible integral and absolutely needed team member if he is leading the offense and scoring a lot of points. That CANNOT happen on the 1st team for a large number of reasons, the majority of which are spelled JH and DH. I think DH really likes playing with Lin; despite how much many writers extoll the ability of JH to feed the beast, JL is actually better at it, though many just can't seem to see it. If the Rockets win, and JL is integral, he will have proven his worth to the majority of Basketball World.

docdlh726
docdlh726

@TimothySpencer @kj4027 Again, I'm a big Lin fan, but see the benefit in lesser minutes at this point in his career. Don't forget, he damaged his knee and it WILL have a shorter life than it would have pre-injury. If you want to be able to see JL play for ANY number of minutes for a long time, you have to allow him fewer minutes now. Additionally, if he isn't playing that much due to rotations, the Haterz won't be able to say that he isn't playing for lack of heart, the way they did lasts play off run. These absolute BOZOS have NO IDEA how hard a return from knee rehab can be. If JL took the time to come back that did Derrick Rose, just think of the howling in Hater Land!!

simonf06
simonf06

No matter how well Lin plays, this idiot racist coach never play him long!

McHale should be fired.

ksfhg
ksfhg

@benkimhine @ksfhg  

 I have my own long-time favorite team, but I've followed the Rockets very closely since last season, both on court and in the press (because of my interest in Lin, but also Asik and Toney Douglas who was later traded to the Kings, now with the Warriors). Others who've closely followed the Rockets, and have good memory, know what I'm talking about - of course the Lin-haters are in denial without a counter argument - other than "prove the conspiracy theory". Do any shady people go on the bright spotlight and reveal stuff? Or can we observe a pattern over one year's time and also read implications from their press, besides the overt disses.
 
You have to keep in mind that a lot of what went on with the Rockets went mostly under the radar last season - Other the hype regarding Harden. First of all, media firms don't have the time or resources to designate one knowledgeable writer with integrity per team exclusively for all 30 teams. And beat writers, local newspaper or team writers are either directly or indirectly associated with the team they obtain their sources from, not to mention access to interviews and game passes. Second of all - and MORE IMPORTANTLY - the media didn't care because the Rockets still WAY EXCEEDED everyone's expectations - and just *barely* making the playoffs was seen as a genius coaching by McHale and overachieving by the "young and inexperienced" team, even though the Rockets went 6-1 in preseason PRIOR TO acquiring Harden. The pundits ranked the Rockets to be 30th in the league. And they did *barely* make the playoffs by placing 8th on the very last day of the season - when less than one week prior, they had to think about whether to tank to 7th on purpose or let the 6th seed happen.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@BishopNYK @harrycrab2012, for mcfail he is a good role player that s what mcfail wants.  jlin can be more than that.  next year he will go to a team that will use him the right way i hope. but I prefer him on the rockets since i am a roc fan.  by the way he scored 16 last night and opened mcfails eyes a bit. The better jlin does the more it shows mcfail is wrong. you watch the rest of the nba will pass bev by and mcfail still won't start lin.  by the way lin shut down the starting point guard last night not bev ( who allowed walker to score 12 points in 1 and 1/2 quarters, defense defense bev what happened).  what what!

docdlh726
docdlh726

@BishopNYK @chekovlee1 Yeah, Lin's fans (of which I am one) don't help him by overlooking the big picture and looking, instead, for conspiracy stories. I think, it is true, that McHale lost faith in JL last year and did not give him adequate minutes or support to increase his confidence. Let them play him off the bench. It is likely better for his overall and future career than it is a blight. Starting now is likely to lead to a greater chance of failing to live up to unreasonable expectations and demands, than would coming off the B and being allowed to play to his sstrengths, with support, than being told to bring up the ball, then pass the ball ... read and repeat, read and repeat.

simonf06
simonf06

BishopNYK

My advice to you and McHale, pick someone of your equal size, let having some real standard. If it is all about basketball decision, there is no need to say what McHale said like he has two pg starters. Just say what he has in mind. McHale never has faith in an Asian like Lin. Unfortunately u feel the same

simonf06
simonf06

BishopNYK

I figure you must be a loser all along your life,because u have no any real means to achieve success other than hanging on to the entitlement u feel u have. Give me an example anyone in your circle is as achiever as Lin and is as treated like Lin by his organization.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@M20 @chekovlee1 first of I am not a lin fan, i am a rockets fan, I don't believe mcfail knows how to coach. lin is just an example of how poor this coaching staff is.  what do you think he will do when bev can't keep up with the other nba guards.  do you think he will go back to lin who he deems is not a starter. 

docdlh726
docdlh726

@TimothySpencer @ksfhg @benkimhine People have a tendency to judge an athlete's ability by a singular spectacular athletic display, not by "just winning" or hitting the big shot, etc. With many of the annointed "elite PGs" the bias is to look for all of the things that make them a "great guard" for the future of their franchise. Abilities are worshipped and deficiencies are downplayed. With JL, it tends to be the reverse. They see a slightly diminished lateral speed on D and yowl about it while overlooking JHs lack of effort, etc. The reasons why JL is not elite are not way off, but they are just not being counterbalanced by what he has shown that he does do as well as anyone else. He still has to develop without being crushed by public expectations and demands. He can do that better under the radar of being 2nd team. I more fear for him starting right now because of the microscope and spotlight that he will have to be under. Hopefully, he can play his "new game" well enough as a starter (now) as the following stretch is brutal for PGs. It would have been "nice" for Jeremy to have Beverly take the heat and fail against the upcoming guards than JL. These guards can make anyone look banal on a given night. For JL, if the opposing PG has a banner night, it will ALWAYS be because JL "can't defend." It would have been better for JL's confidence to see Beverly fail to contain also and it just might shut up a few Haterz about JL vs Beverly on D.

ksfhg
ksfhg

@TimothySpencer

A good one! Also, you're indeed correct that Lin's stats were based on his *limited* role. Advanced stats shows Lin's usage at 38th for all point guards, which means that his usage (not talking about minutes) was less than 8 backup point guards in the league. 

TimothySpencer
TimothySpencer

@ksfhg @benkimhine Hey man, I just wanted to step up and thank you.  You have been 'RIGHT ON' the money with everything you've said.  People who have followed Lin and wanted to watch him play (because the guy is really fun to watch play basketball), we have seen the same things.  Lin starting out the year with a knee that wasn't fully healed and struggling to gain his "burst" back that made him so incredible.  Then watching him get ZERO support from the coaches or the management after his injury healed fully.  


Despite having to defer to Harden, and get yanked out of games where he was starting to "get hot", and also had his minutes significantly reduced.......Lin STILL managed to put up a near-all-star stat line after the All-Star Break.  


Jeremy Lin:

15.0 points per game
6.0 assists per game
1.07 steals per game
2.81 turnovers per game
37.5% 3-point percentage
45.0% field goal percentage


Chris Paul:

16.9 points per game
9.7 assists per game
2.4 steals per game
2.3 turnovers per game
32.8% 3-point percentage
48.1% field goal percentage


Damian Lillard:

19.0 points per game
6.5 assists per game
0.9 steals per game
3.0 turnovers per game
36.8% 3-point percentage
42.9% field goal percentage


John Wall:

18.5 points per game
7.6 assists per game
1.3 steals per game
3.2 turnovers per game
26.7% 3-point percentage
44.1% field goal percentage

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If anyone bothers to look at the FACTS, it's pretty clear that Jeremy Lin IS every bit as good as he was during Linsanity, but he's being completely undermined and not being allowed the chance/circumstances to duplicate what he did in New York.  His stats and his playmaking from his limited role STILL shows that he has that tremendous talent.

docdlh726
docdlh726

@chekovlee1 @BishopNYK It enhances Lin when Beverly fails to "deliver as promised," but the team doesn't win. Winning is good for Lin, if he is a major asset no matter whether that is off the bench or as a starter. Lin might strain too hard to prove he is worthy when he starts. He plays with more abandon and aggressiveness off the bench as he does not have to contend with who will be handling the rock, JH or him. Since it's usually JH, then playing when JH is not is only to Lin's benefit and stature. AND it give him time to gain experience and confidence, the latter of which is a HUGE part of any success.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@BishopNYK If you are bent on not really playing a good player cut him loose don't keep the player hanging on.  Lin doesn't want to be a thorn in the roc's side.  so he is being a good sport.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@BishopNYK @chekovlee1 Lin and harden work well together that was obvious last year they still got there touches.  Starting Bev over lin is a poor move coaching move.  did you not see bev struggle to guard walker?  Yet lin can in and walker all of a sudden did nothing. I am a rockets fan, not a lin fan.  I feel lin is a better fit right now then bev.  Mcfail needs to be a better coach and get it right.  I gave him credit for the new twin tower line up. reminds me of the rob and dun on the spurs.

BishopNYK
BishopNYK

There is a reason why Lin had some of his biggest games last year while Harden was absent, this will benefit Lin WITHOUT effecting Harden and thats why it's such a smart move. Because what you're talking about, that would effect Harden. Keeping them apart will milk the most production from each of them, mark my words

BishopNYK
BishopNYK

@chekovlee1 Ok and WHY would "McFail" want that? What dont you understand? In order for Lin to be anymore than a great role player, they would have to take plays away from better players to give to Lin and THAT WOULD HURT THE TEAM. DO YOU EVEN GIVE THE SLIGHTEST F--- WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ROCKETS? No you dont. You're a Lin-Only fan. 

docdlh726
docdlh726

@chekovlee1 @M20 Yes. True in High School and College... BUT NOT in the PROS. If the 2nd unit does not perform well, the outcome of the game is usually not on the W side. (see prior post).


phamboy06
phamboy06

@chekovlee1 @M20 

I have to agree with M20.  Just because Lin is coming off the bench, doesn't mean he is a second rate player.  (Based on what u are saying, Genobli is a second rate player?).  What M20 is trying to say is that Pat is a better fit (not better player) for the rest of the starting line up.  Pat plays better off the ball, shoots a little better, and plays better defense.  These are the skills that the rockets need with the starting line up.  

Lin plays his best when he has the ball in his hands (you can look at the stats).  So when Harden plays, Lin is playing off the dribble, which he is not good at.  The solution to this is to pair Lin up with the second unit, where Lin has the freedom to play his game and contribute.  He can't do this with another ball dominat player such as Harden.   

This has nothing to do with starting or coming off the bench.  This is about doing whats best for the team to win games  and playing Lin off the bench is the best move.   Chekovlee1 obviosuly can't see it in this regard because hes too blindsided about starting and coming off the bench.  Basketball is more than white and black.  It's like a game of chess, learn to use what you at the right time.  

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@M20 @chekovlee1, maybe u never played basketball, when u come off the bench you are relieving the starter, your minutes are down for sure, and u play against the 2nd rate players.  If i played to play the 2nd unit than i would be lying to myself.  if u believe mcfail than u r as dum as he is. no offense.

M20
M20

@chekovlee1 @M20 Well, how about you think that through yourself. If Beverly stinks up the joint, do you think McHale is going to keep shooting himself in the foot, or play the other capable point guard more? If you think the former, then frankly you're not rational enough for this convo.

Besides, you are completely incorrectly mischaracterizing this decision. McHale did not deem Lin "not a starter". Rather, he thinks he has two starting caliber PGs, and is starting the one he thinks is a role player with a better fit with the other starters, while bringing the more talented individual player off the bench so he can give him freedom more often.

chekovlee1
chekovlee1

@M20 @chekovlee1 @D. Darqwon , Sorry if u didn't understand me, lol, walker was held to 12 points cause lin guarded him.  If bev continued walker would have putted up alot more. Tell me i am wrong..

M20
M20

@chekovlee1 @D. Darqwon I don't think "burned" means what you think it means. Pretty sure McHale is satisfied that Walker was held to 12 points.